some spending on infrastructure. some more stimulus for the economy. is that a part of these negotiations right now do you think? and does that -- does it have to be in in for you and the democrats to go awrong with any deal? >>. [ no response ] >> we have an audio issue with the senator. maya, jamele was talking about the relatively low impact in terms of the budget picture of the bush tax cuts and letting go for the wealthy. i think you wanted to make a point there? >> i think it's an important point to say this deficit issue is one we should question a bit 'not because we shouldn't be concerned about the deficit but i think the notion that $800 billion is not a lot of money is a kind of bizarre conversation for most americans. so i think it doesn't sound like a lot of money if we're looking for short-term deficit reduction. it's a heck of a lot of money if we talk about investing in americans. one of the things that we have to have a better conversation about is what actually gets the economy back on track. and actually is the -- so 800 billion is a